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Too bad it doesn't work, and has been shown to cause mental deterioration in those who don't have toxic levels of heavy metals.
-- | "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> ---------+
http://www.whale.to/vaccine/cave.html In a study last year, we found that about 40 percent of the children that we looked at (out of a total of perhaps 120) showed marked improvement, particularly in the younger age group. In most of the ones that resolve, the children go from not having any speech or eye contact to complete dialogue with good eye contact. It's the two, three, and four year olds that resolve most quickly. Within about six to eight months time, they get to a point where you can't tell that they were ever autistic. It's amazing. The parents come into our office in tears; they'll fly across the country just to show the children to us. Balancing Biochemistry: An Interview with Stephanie Cave
In message <AJqdndapmOL7qefVnZ2dnUVZ8uqdn...@bt.com>, JOHN wrote:
> http://www.whale.to/vaccine/cave.html > In a study last year, we found that about 40 percent of the children that we > looked at (out of a total of perhaps 120) showed marked improvement, > particularly in the younger age group. In most of the ones that resolve, the > children go from not having any speech or eye contact to complete dialogue > with good eye contact. It's the two, three, and four year olds that resolve > most quickly. Within about six to eight months time, they get to a point > where you can't tell that they were ever autistic. It's amazing. The parents > come into our office in tears; they'll fly across the country just to show > the children to us. Balancing Biochemistry: An Interview with Stephanie Cave
How did the control group do, and how many of the study group died from the chelation? How many of the study group suffered brain damage similar to that found in rats using the same drugs?
Most important of all, what IRB approved this illegal experimentation on handicapped minors?
-- | "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> ---------+
In message <1vgk741lrgtj7ljfjbgra9giqq9qu4p...@4ax.com>, Peter Parry wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:59:26 +0100, "JOHN" <j...@nospam.com> wrote: >>In a study last year,
> Could you tell us which study and in which journal it was published?
Don't be silly.
-- | "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> ---------+
EDTA chelation therapy has brought relief to more than 93% of patients suffering from ischemic heart disease and it can help avoid bypass surgery in 85% of cases.30 When it is given according to established protocols not one serious side effect has been reported. In fact, thousands of anecdotal stories from patients and physicians support the effectiveness and safety of this relatively inexpensive treatment.
In message <zfmdnRCjzYqJxOfVnZ2dneKdnZydn...@bt.com>, JOHN wrote:
> EDTA chelation therapy has brought relief to more than 93% of patients > suffering from ischemic heart disease and it can help avoid bypass surgery > in 85% of cases.30 When it is given according to established protocols not > one serious side effect has been reported. In fact, thousands of anecdotal > stories from patients and physicians support the effectiveness and safety of > this relatively inexpensive treatment.
How much does it open arteries? Arterial blockage is easy to measure before and after.
As for safety, sodium EDTA (the drug used) is known to be fatal in some cases of chelation.
-- | "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> ---------+
On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:35:56 +0100, "JOHN" <j...@nospam.com> wrote: >EDTA chelation therapy has brought relief
Mainly it seems to its sellers bank balances.
This extract appears to be from an article by Gary Null and Luanne Pennesi, a "rising star" in the field of natural health and qualified, amongst other things, in bio-oxidative therapies and Neurolinguistic healing (whatever that may be). She sells "wholistic health care at affordable prices"
Null, whose associate degree is in business administration and whose "PhD" is from a mail order college, is a talk radio host and the owner of the supplement and media company Gary Null & Associates, Inc. As scientific authors they don't appear to be very credible.
Do you have a reference to any study where the rather improbable figures you quote can be substantiated?
> EDTA chelation therapy has brought relief to more than 93% of patients > suffering from ischemic heart disease and it can help avoid bypass surgery > in 85% of cases.30 When it is given according to established protocols > not one serious side effect has been reported. In fact, thousands of > anecdotal stories from patients and physicians support the effectiveness > and safety of this relatively inexpensive treatment.
> EDTA chelation therapy has brought relief to more than 93% of patients > suffering from ischemic heart disease
if so...due to placebo effect
and it can help avoid bypass surgery
> in 85% of cases.30
cite please?? now that is an outright fabrication
When it is given according to established protocols not
> one serious side effect has been reported. In fact, thousands of anecdotal > stories from patients and physicians support the effectiveness and safety > of this relatively inexpensive treatment.
another recovered kid using chelation and diet therapies
http://www.whale.to/vaccine/jenny_mccarthy.html We believe what helped Evan recover was starting a gluten-free, casein-free diet, vitamin supplementation, detox of metals, and anti-fungals for yeast overgrowth that plagued his intestines. Once Evan's neurological function was recovered through these medical treatments, speech therapy and applied behavior analysis helped him quickly learn the skills he could not learn while he was frozen in autism. After we implemented these therapies for one year, the state re-evaluated Evan for further services. They spent five minutes with Evan and said, "What happened? We've never seen a recovery like this." Evan is now 5 years old and what might surprise a lot of you is that we've never been contacted by a single member of the CDC, the American Academy of Pediatrics, or any other health authority to evaluate and understand how Evan recovered from autism. When Evan meets doctors and neurologists, to this day they tell us he was misdiagnosed -- that he never had autism to begin with. It's as if they are wired to believe that children can't recover from autism. So where's the cavalry? Where are all the doctors beating down our door to take a closer look at Evan? We think we know why they haven't arrived. Most of the parents we've met who have recovered their child from autism as we did (and we have met many) blame vaccines for their child's autism. Jenny McCarthy: My son's recovery from autism
"The day I found out I was an adult Indigo will stay with me forever. I was walking hand in hand with my son down a Los Angeles street when this women approached me and said, “You’re an Indigo and your son is a Crystal.” I immediately replied, “Yes!” and the woman smiled at me and walked away. I stood there for a moment, because I had no idea what the heck an Indigo and Crystal was, but I seemed so sure of it when I had blurted out “Yes!” After doing some of my own research on the word Indigo, I realized not only was I an early Indigo but my son was in fact a Crystal child. From that point on things in my life started to make sense. ...I was so eager to go on every talk show and preach to the world about the importance of healthy air, healthy food, and empowering our children to be the divine manifestors they came here to be...
So, I asked the Divine for help, and my Indigo awakening day brought it right to me. The way to create a new way of life for our children isn’t just about teaching the parents, but more about teaching the children. I knew immediately that changing education in schools was my global life mission."
Apparently, according to http://www.starchild.co.za/what.html "Crystal children, on the other hand, are mostly born into the Gold Ray of Incarnation and Evolution. They are born on the Sixth Dimension of Consciousness, with the potential to open up rapidly to the Ninth Dimensional level of Full Christ Consciousness, and then from there to the Thirteenth Dimension which represents Universal Consciousness."
"Crystal Children don't warrant a label of autism. They aren't autistic! They're AWE-tistic! These children are worthy of awe, not labels of dysfunction. If anyone is dysfunctional, it's the systems that aren't accommodating the continuing evolution of the human species. If we shame the children with labels, or medicate them into submission, we will have undermined a heaven-sent gift. We will crush a civilization before its had time to take roots."
She has crushed a Crystal that she believed so strongly In only a couple of years ago with chemicals? How could she!
Her "research" has of course always been inspired, as she said
"Luckily, Google employs an army of people whose only job is to make sure everything that pops up on the site is totally legit".
Using this reliable source she spoke of "clicking on a link up in the corner" and "learning about the wonders of biomed."
Links up in the corner? Couldn't have been the adverts for snake oil could it?
Exit Crystal child, rinsed down the drain by toxic chemical cocktails. Such cruelty. Such disregard for the future of the human race.?
What happened to her "Quantum Prayer wheel" which emitted "Pure, positive quantum waves of energy ... directed to you 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, deflecting any negative vibrations. The Quantum Prayer Wheel opens the doors to far greater states of love, peace, joy, health, wealth and happiness, that have been shown to result from effective and focused prayer. The QPW prayers do not exclude any faith or belief -- all are inclusive and supportive of each other."
(one-year subscription only $365. Family Plan - up to 4 people for $365, plus an additional $50 per person. Pets included free)
>understand how Evan recovered from autism.
I understand she is still "treating" him? Perhaps because he is still "hypersensitive to air and water" as she reported?
so what, ad hominem anyway, and you have to say she is one of the rare mums who has a recovered autistic kid, so she must have some diving guidance, unlike Leach and Kirkpatrick
In message <lKidnRYmBY12xeHVnZ2dnUVZ8sLin...@bt.com>, JOHN wrote:
> We believe what helped Evan recover was starting a gluten-free, casein-free > diet, vitamin supplementation, detox of metals, and anti-fungals for yeast > overgrowth that plagued his intestines. Once Evan's neurological function > was recovered through these medical treatments, speech therapy and applied > behavior analysis helped him quickly learn the skills he could not learn > while he was frozen in autism. After we implemented these therapies for one > year, the state re-evaluated Evan for further services. They spent five > minutes with Evan and said, "What happened? We've never seen a recovery like > this."
So if he's recovered, why is she now planning to have him chemically castrated and back for more (life-threatening) chelation?
-- | "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> ---------+
No, he's not attacking Jenny in any way. He's simply using her own words to refute you. I know, it hurts -- but if you want some /argumentum ad hominem/ then *you* can attack the author of the words PP quoted.
> and you have to say she is one of the rare mums > who has a recovered autistic kid, so she must have some diving guidance, > unlike Leach and Kirkpatrick
John, either you believe Jenny or you don't. If you do, then PP has presented a rather stinging indictment of how her son has been abused. On the other hand, if you don't believe what Jenny has to say, then there isn't a whole lot of point in citing her as a source regarding chelation.
Up to you.
-- | "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> ---------+
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:28:20 +0100, "JOHN" <j...@nospam.com> wrote: >so what, ad hominem anyway,
Not in the slightest. I'm trying to decide what she believes, how she came to those beliefs and how likely it is that they have a basis in reality.
There is no question she said that she believed her child was a "Crystal Child" and there is no question that what she put the child through later was specifically contra-indicated by her prior belief.
Much of the Indigo/Crystal belief system revolves around the idea of over-diagnosis and overuse of medication with regard to Autism and what she did would have led to the extinguishing of what she had said she believed was a divine gift.
>and you have to say she is one of the rare mums who has a recovered autistic kid,
If she has. The evidence for that is however is at best equivocal. She has stated both that the child has recovered and also that he needs further treatment. She has also stated in an interview on 6 Jun this year that he was never autistic:-
"Q: And in the spectrum, where is Evan? MCCARTHY: Evan was undiagnosed with autism. Q: So if I met Evan? MCCARTHY: You would never know in a million years. Q: So how does it manifest itself? MCCARTHY: Autism? Q: No, Evan’s autism. MCCARTHY: It doesn’t." Q: I wouldn’t know Evan is autistic? MCCARTHY: No,
She has also claimed to have read reports 3 years before they were published and she talks about Hepatitis C vaccine (which doesn't exist). This does rather impact upon her credibility.
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