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I've had this trouble many times before with VHS rips that I converted a few years back to DVD. The original VHS copies were in pretty bad shape but I caught them on DVD before they were totally gone. However, those DVDs all are pretty jumpy and pixelated.
The funny thing is that the shrinked VOBs on my computer play just fine but every single AVI I make has audio synch problems and I've noticed that it often happens after one of those screen jumpiness incidents (whatever that's called).
Is there any VOB to AVI app that can compensate for an "unstable" VOB of this kind so that the AVIs, too, come out with the audio in proper synch anyone know? I've tried the old extract AVI and messing around with timing and then re-integrating but this method just doesn't work on these old VHS rips. It works just fine when there's a single lag but not on these jumpy VHS ones.
"Fairfax" <Spam...@NoJunkMail.org> wrote in message news:c4k4q5t73qku0g9h57lmouap680545garc@4ax.com... > I've had this trouble many times before with VHS rips that I converted > a few years back to DVD. The original VHS copies were in pretty bad > shape but I caught them on DVD before they were totally gone. > However, those DVDs all are pretty jumpy and pixelated.
> The funny thing is that the shrinked VOBs on my computer play just > fine but every single AVI I make has audio synch problems and I've > noticed that it often happens after one of those screen jumpiness > incidents (whatever that's called).
> Is there any VOB to AVI app that can compensate for an "unstable" VOB > of this kind so that the AVIs, too, come out with the audio in proper > synch anyone know? I've tried the old extract AVI and messing around > with timing and then re-integrating but this method just doesn't work > on these old VHS rips. It works just fine when there's a single lag > but not on these jumpy VHS ones.
> Thanks.
Rename one of your VOB files to MPG, then run GSpot or another codec manager and compare the decoding paths for MPG and AVI files on your system. Post the paths here.
> I've had this trouble many times before with VHS rips that I converted > a few years back to DVD. The original VHS copies were in pretty bad > shape but I caught them on DVD before they were totally gone. > However, those DVDs all are pretty jumpy and pixelated.
> The funny thing is that the shrinked VOBs on my computer play just > fine but every single AVI I make has audio synch problems and I've > noticed that it often happens after one of those screen jumpiness > incidents (whatever that's called).
> Is there any VOB to AVI app that can compensate for an "unstable" VOB > of this kind so that the AVIs, too, come out with the audio in proper > synch anyone know? I've tried the old extract AVI and messing around > with timing and then re-integrating but this method just doesn't work > on these old VHS rips. It works just fine when there's a single lag > but not on these jumpy VHS ones.
> Thanks.
The captured video plays in-synce because there are time stamps in the captured video that are lost in demuxing and remuxing into a new format, such as VOB for DVD.
The best way to convert VHS to digital is to:
1) Capture to mpeg format. I typicaly use a bitrate of 7000 at 720x480 @29.97 fps NTSC for this.
2) Convert the captured mpeg with Video Redo. Video redo removes video and audio packets that were captured out of sync.
3) Convert the mpeg in step 2 to whatever video format that you want: DVD, DivX, Xvid, etc... Step 2 should ensure that the new formats will stay in-sync.
<marcus520...@yahoo.com> wrote: >On Mar 18, 10:10 am, Fairfax <Spam...@NoJunkMail.org> wrote: >> I've had this trouble many times before with VHS rips that I converted >> a few years back to DVD. The original VHS copies were in pretty bad >> shape but I caught them on DVD before they were totally gone. >> However, those DVDs all are pretty jumpy and pixelated.
>> The funny thing is that the shrinked VOBs on my computer play just >> fine but every single AVI I make has audio synch problems and I've >> noticed that it often happens after one of those screen jumpiness >> incidents (whatever that's called).
>> Is there any VOB to AVI app that can compensate for an "unstable" VOB >> of this kind so that the AVIs, too, come out with the audio in proper >> synch anyone know? I've tried the old extract AVI and messing around >> with timing and then re-integrating but this method just doesn't work >> on these old VHS rips. It works just fine when there's a single lag >> but not on these jumpy VHS ones.
>> Thanks.
>The captured video plays in-synce because there are time stamps in the >captured video that are lost in demuxing and remuxing into a new >format, such as VOB for DVD.
>The best way to convert VHS to digital is to:
>1) Capture to mpeg format. I typicaly use a bitrate of 7000 at >720x480 @29.97 fps NTSC for this.
>2) Convert the captured mpeg with Video Redo. Video redo removes >video and audio packets >that were captured out of sync.
>3) Convert the mpeg in step 2 to whatever video format that you want: >DVD, DivX, Xvid, etc... Step 2 should ensure that the new formats >will stay in-sync.
>Video Redo is like magic for this.
>Good luck...
>Cheers,
>Mark Burns
I certainly agree with your methodology, Mark, although I used 12 mbps capture myself. However, not knowing *how* the OP is making his AVIs, isn't it also possible that using a variable instead of fixed rate audio codec might induce the same behavior? I seem to recall that AVI playback soft/hard ware often had/has trouble maintaining VBR audio synch when the video stream is disturbed during playback.
One post production cure for this has been the use of VDub to make a fixed rate audio track from the variable rate track, possibly stretching or shrinking to fit the video length, and then remuxing.
I'd add to the OP, now that HDD storage is competitively priced at far less than a penny per 100MB vs. similarly priced rewritable (or much higher priced dual density or BD) optical storage, that there is no need to sacrifice what might be marginal quality to begin with by further compressing a/v from its MPEG size, be it analog to digital capture or direct capture of digital.
> On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:27:28 -0700 (PDT), Mark Burns
> <marcus520...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >On Mar 18, 10:10 am, Fairfax <Spam...@NoJunkMail.org> wrote: > >> I've had this trouble many times before with VHS rips that I converted > >> a few years back to DVD. The original VHS copies were in pretty bad > >> shape but I caught them on DVD before they were totally gone. > >> However, those DVDs all are pretty jumpy and pixelated.
> >> The funny thing is that the shrinked VOBs on my computer play just > >> fine but every single AVI I make has audio synch problems and I've > >> noticed that it often happens after one of those screen jumpiness > >> incidents (whatever that's called).
> >> Is there any VOB to AVI app that can compensate for an "unstable" VOB > >> of this kind so that the AVIs, too, come out with the audio in proper > >> synch anyone know? I've tried the old extract AVI and messing around > >> with timing and then re-integrating but this method just doesn't work > >> on these old VHS rips. It works just fine when there's a single lag > >> but not on these jumpy VHS ones.
> >> Thanks.
> >The captured video plays in-synce because there are time stamps in the > >captured video that are lost in demuxing and remuxing into a new > >format, such as VOB for DVD.
> >The best way to convert VHS to digital is to:
> >1) Capture to mpeg format. I typicaly use a bitrate of 7000 at > >720x480 @29.97 fps NTSC for this.
> >2) Convert the captured mpeg with Video Redo. Video redo removes > >video and audio packets > >that were captured out of sync.
> >3) Convert the mpeg in step 2 to whatever video format that you want: > >DVD, DivX, Xvid, etc... Step 2 should ensure that the new formats > >will stay in-sync.
> >Video Redo is like magic for this.
> >Good luck...
> >Cheers,
> >Mark Burns
> I certainly agree with your methodology, Mark, although I used 12 mbps > capture myself. However, not knowing *how* the OP is making his AVIs, > isn't it also possible that using a variable instead of fixed rate > audio codec might induce the same behavior? I seem to recall that AVI > playback soft/hard ware often had/has trouble maintaining VBR audio > synch when the video stream is disturbed during playback.
> One post production cure for this has been the use of VDub to make a > fixed rate audio track from the variable rate track, possibly > stretching or shrinking to fit the video length, and then remuxing.
> I'd add to the OP, now that HDD storage is competitively priced at far > less than a penny per 100MB vs. similarly priced rewritable (or much > higher priced dual density or BD) optical storage, that there is no > need to sacrifice what might be marginal quality to begin with by > further compressing a/v from its MPEG size, be it analog to digital > capture or direct capture of digital.- Hide quoted text -
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I should have said VBR in my description. I have never captured at a CBR and found that the CBR ones that I have come across are more difficult to work with.
I have experimented with many different bit rates but found that there is no advantage when capturing from VHS at a VBR above 7000 @ 720x480. This has been also born out from several studies that I have seen in the past, although I would have to look through my archives to see if I had saved some of them. I probably haven't researched this in over three years.
There is certainly nothing wrong with capturing above this rate though.
The A/V sync issue is simply a problem associated with analog/digital capture, as there can be tape stretch and other hardware issues. We used to fix these by endless dividing the video and splicing the videos back together, with little jumps in the playback. One therefore looked for dark spots, or longer steady shots to do this at.
Video Redo fixed all that for A/D conversion. By removing out-of-sync A/V frames the resultant video stays in-sync. It was the best $50 that I ever spent.
>On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:27:28 -0700 (PDT), Mark Burns ><marcus520...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>On Mar 18, 10:10 am, Fairfax <Spam...@NoJunkMail.org> wrote: >>> I've had this trouble many times before with VHS rips that I converted >>> a few years back to DVD. The original VHS copies were in pretty bad >>> shape but I caught them on DVD before they were totally gone. >>> However, those DVDs all are pretty jumpy and pixelated.
>>> The funny thing is that the shrinked VOBs on my computer play just >>> fine but every single AVI I make has audio synch problems and I've >>> noticed that it often happens after one of those screen jumpiness >>> incidents (whatever that's called).
>>> Is there any VOB to AVI app that can compensate for an "unstable" VOB >>> of this kind so that the AVIs, too, come out with the audio in proper >>> synch anyone know? I've tried the old extract AVI and messing around >>> with timing and then re-integrating but this method just doesn't work >>> on these old VHS rips. It works just fine when there's a single lag >>> but not on these jumpy VHS ones.
>>> Thanks.
>>The captured video plays in-synce because there are time stamps in the >>captured video that are lost in demuxing and remuxing into a new >>format, such as VOB for DVD.
>>The best way to convert VHS to digital is to:
>>1) Capture to mpeg format. I typicaly use a bitrate of 7000 at >>720x480 @29.97 fps NTSC for this.
>>2) Convert the captured mpeg with Video Redo. Video redo removes >>video and audio packets >>that were captured out of sync.
>>3) Convert the mpeg in step 2 to whatever video format that you want: >>DVD, DivX, Xvid, etc... Step 2 should ensure that the new formats >>will stay in-sync.
>>Video Redo is like magic for this.
>>Good luck...
>>Cheers,
>>Mark Burns
>I certainly agree with your methodology, Mark, although I used 12 mbps >capture myself. However, not knowing *how* the OP is making his AVIs, >isn't it also possible that using a variable instead of fixed rate >audio codec might induce the same behavior? I seem to recall that AVI >playback soft/hard ware often had/has trouble maintaining VBR audio >synch when the video stream is disturbed during playback.
>One post production cure for this has been the use of VDub to make a >fixed rate audio track from the variable rate track, possibly >stretching or shrinking to fit the video length, and then remuxing.
>I'd add to the OP, now that HDD storage is competitively priced at far >less than a penny per 100MB vs. similarly priced rewritable (or much >higher priced dual density or BD) optical storage, that there is no >need to sacrifice what might be marginal quality to begin with by >further compressing a/v from its MPEG size, be it analog to digital >capture or direct capture of digital.
Interesting, thanks. I actually use CBR (out of ignorance I guess. Didn't know which was better <g>) in AutoGK.
I'm not sure re changing the capture. The VOBs are on my computer. I recorded from VHS way-back-when to DVD via a DVD recorder. Then I recently transferred this particular DVD to my computer to convert to AVI.
It was in converting with AutoGK the old VHS->DVD where I got the problem. I've noticed this in the past that very old VHS tapes jump around a lot. usually the VOB->AVI is not a problem but the "jumpiness" or "skippiness" in VHS rips really screw up the sound synchronicity.
I'll give the VBR setting a try and hope that it's as easy as that! Some of these tape rips don't have commercial DVD equivalents so I'll be stuck otherwise with keeping those DVDs despite the storage limitations in a small apartment <g>. Better now with 1-5 items/DVD but even better when converted to AVI!
>On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:48:47 -0700, "CLic...@invalid.org" <CLicker> >wrote:
>>On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:27:28 -0700 (PDT), Mark Burns >><marcus520...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>On Mar 18, 10:10 am, Fairfax <Spam...@NoJunkMail.org> wrote: >>>> I've had this trouble many times before with VHS rips that I converted >>>> a few years back to DVD. The original VHS copies were in pretty bad >>>> shape but I caught them on DVD before they were totally gone. >>>> However, those DVDs all are pretty jumpy and pixelated.
>>>> The funny thing is that the shrinked VOBs on my computer play just >>>> fine but every single AVI I make has audio synch problems and I've >>>> noticed that it often happens after one of those screen jumpiness >>>> incidents (whatever that's called).
>>>> Is there any VOB to AVI app that can compensate for an "unstable" VOB >>>> of this kind so that the AVIs, too, come out with the audio in proper >>>> synch anyone know? I've tried the old extract AVI and messing around >>>> with timing and then re-integrating but this method just doesn't work >>>> on these old VHS rips. It works just fine when there's a single lag >>>> but not on these jumpy VHS ones.
>>>> Thanks.
>>>The captured video plays in-synce because there are time stamps in the >>>captured video that are lost in demuxing and remuxing into a new >>>format, such as VOB for DVD.
>>>The best way to convert VHS to digital is to:
>>>1) Capture to mpeg format. I typicaly use a bitrate of 7000 at >>>720x480 @29.97 fps NTSC for this.
>>>2) Convert the captured mpeg with Video Redo. Video redo removes >>>video and audio packets >>>that were captured out of sync.
>>>3) Convert the mpeg in step 2 to whatever video format that you want: >>>DVD, DivX, Xvid, etc... Step 2 should ensure that the new formats >>>will stay in-sync.
>>>Video Redo is like magic for this.
>>>Good luck...
>>>Cheers,
>>>Mark Burns
>>I certainly agree with your methodology, Mark, although I used 12 mbps >>capture myself. However, not knowing *how* the OP is making his AVIs, >>isn't it also possible that using a variable instead of fixed rate >>audio codec might induce the same behavior? I seem to recall that AVI >>playback soft/hard ware often had/has trouble maintaining VBR audio >>synch when the video stream is disturbed during playback.
>>One post production cure for this has been the use of VDub to make a >>fixed rate audio track from the variable rate track, possibly >>stretching or shrinking to fit the video length, and then remuxing.
>>I'd add to the OP, now that HDD storage is competitively priced at far >>less than a penny per 100MB vs. similarly priced rewritable (or much >>higher priced dual density or BD) optical storage, that there is no >>need to sacrifice what might be marginal quality to begin with by >>further compressing a/v from its MPEG size, be it analog to digital >>capture or direct capture of digital.
>Interesting, thanks. I actually use CBR (out of ignorance I guess. >Didn't know which was better <g>) in AutoGK.
>I'm not sure re changing the capture. The VOBs are on my computer. I >recorded from VHS way-back-when to DVD via a DVD recorder. Then I >recently transferred this particular DVD to my computer to convert to >AVI.
>It was in converting with AutoGK the old VHS->DVD where I got the >problem. I've noticed this in the past that very old VHS tapes jump >around a lot. usually the VOB->AVI is not a problem but the >"jumpiness" or "skippiness" in VHS rips really screw up the sound >synchronicity.
>I'll give the VBR setting a try and hope that it's as easy as that! >Some of these tape rips don't have commercial DVD equivalents so I'll >be stuck otherwise with keeping those DVDs despite the storage >limitations in a small apartment <g>. Better now with 1-5 items/DVD >but even better when converted to AVI!
A one terabyte WDC green HDD sells for about $85, it will hold the equivalent of more than 210 DVD5s. A 2TB WDC green drive is less than twice the cost. If you're concerned about space, as I have been in the past, an IcyDock external hot-swap enclosure is barely larger than a 3.5" HDD. At your target AVI size of up to 5 items per DVD, you could store as many as 1,000 items on a single 1TB drive or leave them uncompressed and still salvage lots of space, preserve quality, and save much personal time and aggravation.
200 DVDs in slim jewel cases consume 1,150 cubic inches. 200 TY write once DVD5s cost about $66. 200 slim cases perhaps another $50. One $85 or $150 3.5" HDD consumes 23 cubic inches. While an IcyDock transport may be $50 or more, you only need one regardless of how many HDDs your collection spans.
I also use a multi-bay hot-swap enclosure which interfaces with both a PC and a multi-media player. There are 16 terabytes of disk now standing next to it and more will soon be on order.
BTW, 16 x 3.5" HDD is still significantly less than 1,150 cubic inches. 800 DVD+RW have been copied and discarded and thousands of new hours of HDTV have been added.
> On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:48:47 -0700, "CLic...@invalid.org" <CLicker> > wrote:
> >On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:27:28 -0700 (PDT), Mark Burns > ><marcus520...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>On Mar 18, 10:10 am, Fairfax <Spam...@NoJunkMail.org> wrote: > >>> I've had this trouble many times before with VHS rips that I converted > >>> a few years back to DVD. The original VHS copies were in pretty bad > >>> shape but I caught them on DVD before they were totally gone. > >>> However, those DVDs all are pretty jumpy and pixelated.
> >>> The funny thing is that the shrinked VOBs on my computer play just > >>> fine but every single AVI I make has audio synch problems and I've > >>> noticed that it often happens after one of those screen jumpiness > >>> incidents (whatever that's called).
> >>> Is there any VOB to AVI app that can compensate for an "unstable" VOB > >>> of this kind so that the AVIs, too, come out with the audio in proper > >>> synch anyone know? I've tried the old extract AVI and messing around > >>> with timing and then re-integrating but this method just doesn't work > >>> on these old VHS rips. It works just fine when there's a single lag > >>> but not on these jumpy VHS ones.
> >>> Thanks.
> >>The captured video plays in-synce because there are time stamps in the > >>captured video that are lost in demuxing and remuxing into a new > >>format, such as VOB for DVD.
> >>The best way to convert VHS to digital is to:
> >>1) Capture to mpeg format. I typicaly use a bitrate of 7000 at > >>720x480 @29.97 fps NTSC for this.
> >>2) Convert the captured mpeg with Video Redo. Video redo removes > >>video and audio packets > >>that were captured out of sync.
> >>3) Convert the mpeg in step 2 to whatever video format that you want: > >>DVD, DivX, Xvid, etc... Step 2 should ensure that the new formats > >>will stay in-sync.
> >>Video Redo is like magic for this.
> >>Good luck...
> >>Cheers,
> >>Mark Burns
> >I certainly agree with your methodology, Mark, although I used 12 mbps > >capture myself. However, not knowing *how* the OP is making his AVIs, > >isn't it also possible that using a variable instead of fixed rate > >audio codec might induce the same behavior? I seem to recall that AVI > >playback soft/hard ware often had/has trouble maintaining VBR audio > >synch when the video stream is disturbed during playback.
> >One post production cure for this has been the use of VDub to make a > >fixed rate audio track from the variable rate track, possibly > >stretching or shrinking to fit the video length, and then remuxing.
> >I'd add to the OP, now that HDD storage is competitively priced at far > >less than a penny per 100MB vs. similarly priced rewritable (or much > >higher priced dual density or BD) optical storage, that there is no > >need to sacrifice what might be marginal quality to begin with by > >further compressing a/v from its MPEG size, be it analog to digital > >capture or direct capture of digital.
> Interesting, thanks. I actually use CBR (out of ignorance I guess. > Didn't know which was better <g>) in AutoGK.
> I'm not sure re changing the capture. The VOBs are on my computer. I > recorded from VHS way-back-when to DVD via a DVD recorder. Then I > recently transferred this particular DVD to my computer to convert to > AVI.
> It was in converting with AutoGK the old VHS->DVD where I got the > problem. I've noticed this in the past that very old VHS tapes jump > around a lot. usually the VOB->AVI is not a problem but the > "jumpiness" or "skippiness" in VHS rips really screw up the sound > synchronicity.
> I'll give the VBR setting a try and hope that it's as easy as that! > Some of these tape rips don't have commercial DVD equivalents so I'll > be stuck otherwise with keeping those DVDs despite the storage > limitations in a small apartment <g>. Better now with 1-5 items/DVD > but even better when converted to AVI!
It is not as easy as changing to VBR. You will still have dropped frames!
This must be used against your original VOB captures, creating a new mpeg file. Use the Joiner function to create a list of VOBs and convert them to a single mpeg. This will also fix the dropped frames. After that, convert them to whatever format that you like and the A/V should stay in-sync.
One can use Video Redo to resync the sound with trial-and-error, but it is automatic with Video Redo.
Video Redo is $50 but is available for a thirty day free trial. I would try the trial first to see if it fixes your problems. I am betting that it will.
I also use it for eliminating commercials from digital captures. Great for that too.
>On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:52:10 -0500, Fairfax <Spam...@NoJunkMail.org> >wrote:
>>On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:48:47 -0700, "CLic...@invalid.org" <CLicker> >>wrote:
>>>On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:27:28 -0700 (PDT), Mark Burns >>><marcus520...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>On Mar 18, 10:10 am, Fairfax <Spam...@NoJunkMail.org> wrote: >>>>> I've had this trouble many times before with VHS rips that I converted >>>>> a few years back to DVD. The original VHS copies were in pretty bad >>>>> shape but I caught them on DVD before they were totally gone. >>>>> However, those DVDs all are pretty jumpy and pixelated.
>>>>> The funny thing is that the shrinked VOBs on my computer play just >>>>> fine but every single AVI I make has audio synch problems and I've >>>>> noticed that it often happens after one of those screen jumpiness >>>>> incidents (whatever that's called).
>>>>> Is there any VOB to AVI app that can compensate for an "unstable" VOB >>>>> of this kind so that the AVIs, too, come out with the audio in proper >>>>> synch anyone know? I've tried the old extract AVI and messing around >>>>> with timing and then re-integrating but this method just doesn't work >>>>> on these old VHS rips. It works just fine when there's a single lag >>>>> but not on these jumpy VHS ones.
>A one terabyte WDC green HDD sells for about $85, it will hold the >equivalent of more than 210 DVD5s. A 2TB WDC green drive is less than >twice the cost. If you're concerned about space, as I have been in >the past, an IcyDock external hot-swap enclosure is barely larger than >a 3.5" HDD. At your target AVI size of up to 5 items per DVD, you >could store as many as 1,000 items on a single 1TB drive or leave them >uncompressed and still salvage lots of space, preserve quality, and >save much personal time and aggravation.
>200 DVDs in slim jewel cases consume 1,150 cubic inches. 200 TY write >once DVD5s cost about $66. 200 slim cases perhaps another $50. >One $85 or $150 3.5" HDD consumes 23 cubic inches. While an IcyDock >transport may be $50 or more, you only need one regardless of how many >HDDs your collection spans.
>I also use a multi-bay hot-swap enclosure which interfaces with both a >PC and a multi-media player. There are 16 terabytes of disk now >standing next to it and more will soon be on order.
>BTW, 16 x 3.5" HDD is still significantly less than 1,150 cubic >inches. 800 DVD+RW have been copied and discarded and thousands of >new hours of HDTV have been added.
Yeah, I've done something along those lines. I bought a 500gig external HDD last year and then within 3 months I had started transferring my DVDs to it. I didn't know at the time about the larger sized-drives. I think it was Future Shop but a couple weeks back a 1TB was selling for a hundred and some dollars, about the cost of what I paid for my 500gig one last year!
I do sometimes reduce down to a size so that up to 10-15 movie-length recordings will fit but that's not so much an issue now that I have saved them to AVI.
Now I just have to find a DVD player with USB stick support that'll play the movies that we just simply transfer to the stick directly! <g> Don't know if they'll play smoothly, etc., but I've found reference to a couple on the web. That means I'll really go green even more from now on since I won't have to be worrying about tons of media anymore - which is the road I'm on now. I record to DVD via a re-writable and then convert to AVI, then I re-use the re-writable disk. Works like a dream.
<sigh> If only I'd known then what I know now ... <g>
*********************** The particular vid in question is in process of encoding right now, via AutoGK, with VBR. I hope that this works. I've contacted my PBS station but I'm not very hopeful. I can't find a DVD reference anywhere and references to the vid itself are practically non-existent. The copy I'm working from was a rip from an already old VHS I unearthed at my local public library in the early to mid-1990s! Couple that with the fact that I probably copied it to a re-used VHS tape and at least 10-11 years before I converted it to DVD and the result is fairly difficult to work with. It plays well enough, however; which is good enough for me if the synch doesn't get messed up. Glad I found that tape at the library at that time since I'm not sure I'm going to find any copy in any media now. It's not like my PBS station is a large American one <g>. So I'm really hoping that this works.
<marcus520...@yahoo.com> wrote: >On Mar 23, 10:52 am, Fairfax <Spam...@NoJunkMail.org> wrote: >> On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:48:47 -0700, "CLic...@invalid.org" <CLicker> >> wrote:
>> >On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:27:28 -0700 (PDT), Mark Burns >> ><marcus520...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>On Mar 18, 10:10 am, Fairfax <Spam...@NoJunkMail.org> wrote: >> >>> I've had this trouble many times before with VHS rips that I converted >> >>> a few years back to DVD. The original VHS copies were in pretty bad >> >>> shape but I caught them on DVD before they were totally gone. >> >>> However, those DVDs all are pretty jumpy and pixelated.
>> >>> The funny thing is that the shrinked VOBs on my computer play just >> >>> fine but every single AVI I make has audio synch problems and I've >> >>> noticed that it often happens after one of those screen jumpiness >> >>> incidents (whatever that's called).
>> >>> Is there any VOB to AVI app that can compensate for an "unstable" VOB >> >>> of this kind so that the AVIs, too, come out with the audio in proper >> >>> synch anyone know? I've tried the old extract AVI and messing around >> >>> with timing and then re-integrating but this method just doesn't work >> >>> on these old VHS rips. It works just fine when there's a single lag >> >>> but not on these jumpy VHS ones.
>> >>> Thanks.
>> >>The captured video plays in-synce because there are time stamps in the >> >>captured video that are lost in demuxing and remuxing into a new >> >>format, such as VOB for DVD.
>> >>The best way to convert VHS to digital is to:
>> >>1) Capture to mpeg format. I typicaly use a bitrate of 7000 at >> >>720x480 @29.97 fps NTSC for this.
>> >>2) Convert the captured mpeg with Video Redo. Video redo removes >> >>video and audio packets >> >>that were captured out of sync.
>> >>3) Convert the mpeg in step 2 to whatever video format that you want: >> >>DVD, DivX, Xvid, etc... Step 2 should ensure that the new formats >> >>will stay in-sync.
>> >>Video Redo is like magic for this.
>> >>Good luck...
>> >>Cheers,
>> >>Mark Burns
>> >I certainly agree with your methodology, Mark, although I used 12 mbps >> >capture myself. However, not knowing *how* the OP is making his AVIs, >> >isn't it also possible that using a variable instead of fixed rate >> >audio codec might induce the same behavior? I seem to recall that AVI >> >playback soft/hard ware often had/has trouble maintaining VBR audio >> >synch when the video stream is disturbed during playback.
>> >One post production cure for this has been the use of VDub to make a >> >fixed rate audio track from the variable rate track, possibly >> >stretching or shrinking to fit the video length, and then remuxing.
>> >I'd add to the OP, now that HDD storage is competitively priced at far >> >less than a penny per 100MB vs. similarly priced rewritable (or much >> >higher priced dual density or BD) optical storage, that there is no >> >need to sacrifice what might be marginal quality to begin with by >> >further compressing a/v from its MPEG size, be it analog to digital >> >capture or direct capture of digital.
>> Interesting, thanks. I actually use CBR (out of ignorance I guess. >> Didn't know which was better <g>) in AutoGK.
>> I'm not sure re changing the capture. The VOBs are on my computer. I >> recorded from VHS way-back-when to DVD via a DVD recorder. Then I >> recently transferred this particular DVD to my computer to convert to >> AVI.
>> It was in converting with AutoGK the old VHS->DVD where I got the >> problem. I've noticed this in the past that very old VHS tapes jump >> around a lot. usually the VOB->AVI is not a problem but the >> "jumpiness" or "skippiness" in VHS rips really screw up the sound >> synchronicity.
>> I'll give the VBR setting a try and hope that it's as easy as that! >> Some of these tape rips don't have commercial DVD equivalents so I'll >> be stuck otherwise with keeping those DVDs despite the storage >> limitations in a small apartment <g>. Better now with 1-5 items/DVD >> but even better when converted to AVI!
>It is not as easy as changing to VBR. You will still have dropped >frames!
>This must be used against your original VOB captures, creating a new >mpeg file. Use the Joiner function to create a list of VOBs and >convert them to a single mpeg. This will also fix the dropped >frames. After that, convert them to whatever format that you like and >the A/V should stay in-sync.
>One can use Video Redo to resync the sound with trial-and-error, but >it is automatic with Video Redo.
Do you mean, perhaps (I'm guessing here) that Video Redo can do it via trial and error but a Video Redo Plus will do it automatically?
>Video Redo is $50 but is available for a thirty day free trial. I >would try the trial first to see if it fixes your problems. I am >betting that it will.
>I also use it for eliminating commercials from digital captures. >Great for that too.
>>One can use Video Redo to resync the sound with trial-and-error, but >>it is automatic with Video Redo.
>Do you mean, perhaps (I'm guessing here) that Video Redo can do it via >trial and error but a Video Redo Plus will do it automatically?
>>Video Redo is $50 but is available for a thirty day free trial. I >>would try the trial first to see if it fixes your problems. I am >>betting that it will.
>>I also use it for eliminating commercials from digital captures. >>Great for that too.
>>Cheeks,
>>Mark
>Thanks. :)
Woops, sorry, didn't mean to confuse people. I had this ng in two instances of Agent and didn't realize. Unsubscribed to the other one and am responding from here as Reg256 and didn't realize it till just now. I find it easier to have a different username for Agent instances since I often have to find my posts via google when I'm away from home and it helps narrow down my searches. Hard enough to find my posts even without narrowing things down via username, title, etc. Sometimes I don't find them at all, but at least it helps a great deal.
So sorry for confusion. Fairfax and Reg256 are me, same person <g>.
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:43:31 -0500, Rex256 wrote: > On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:25:48 -0500, Rex256 <NoJunkM...@No.com> wrote:
>>On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:40:50 -0700 (PDT), Mark Burns >><marcus520...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>On Mar 23, 10:52 am, Fairfax <Spam...@NoJunkMail.org> wrote: >>>> On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:48:47 -0700, "CLic...@invalid.org" <CLicker> >>>> wrote:
> [snip]
>>>One can use Video Redo to resync the sound with trial-and-error, but >>>it is automatic with Video Redo.
>>Do you mean, perhaps (I'm guessing here) that Video Redo can do it via >>trial and error but a Video Redo Plus will do it automatically?
>>>Video Redo is $50 but is available for a thirty day free trial. I >>>would try the trial first to see if it fixes your problems. I am >>>betting that it will.
>>>I also use it for eliminating commercials from digital captures. >>>Great for that too.
>>>Cheeks,
>>>Mark
>>Thanks. :)
> Woops, sorry, didn't mean to confuse people. I had this ng in two > instances of Agent and didn't realize. Unsubscribed to the other one > and am responding from here as Reg256 and didn't realize it till just > now. I find it easier to have a different username for Agent > instances since I often have to find my posts via google when I'm away > from home and it helps narrow down my searches. Hard enough to find > my posts even without narrowing things down via username, title, etc. > Sometimes I don't find them at all, but at least it helps a great > deal.
> So sorry for confusion. Fairfax and Reg256 are me, same person <g>.
Not to sweat it...
Plenty of people do that - for instance, post from home with one name & from work with another. As in your case, there are footprints :-)
What you *should* worry about is using no.com and nojunkmail.org as domain names, unless they're actually yours or you have permission to use them from the owners. The accepted form is to use "invalid" as the top-level domain for fictitious address, such as in no.invalid and nojunkmail.invalid. Note that it's the top-level domain that should be "invalid", that is, the field in the address that follows the last dot.
You wouldn't want to be receiving junk mail or other stuff after someone used your address; the same is true for the owners of the above addresses (or possible future owners, if those addresses are not yet in use).
BTW, you are not the only one doing that, even just within this thread.
>> On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:25:48 -0500, Rex256 <NoJunkM...@No.com> wrote:
>>>On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:40:50 -0700 (PDT), Mark Burns >>><marcus520...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>On Mar 23, 10:52 am, Fairfax <Spam...@NoJunkMail.org> wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:48:47 -0700, "CLic...@invalid.org" <CLicker> >>>>> wrote:
>> [snip]
>>>>One can use Video Redo to resync the sound with trial-and-error, but >>>>it is automatic with Video Redo.
>>>Do you mean, perhaps (I'm guessing here) that Video Redo can do it via >>>trial and error but a Video Redo Plus will do it automatically?
>>>>Video Redo is $50 but is available for a thirty day free trial. I >>>>would try the trial first to see if it fixes your problems. I am >>>>betting that it will.
>>>>I also use it for eliminating commercials from digital captures. >>>>Great for that too.
>>>>Cheeks,
>>>>Mark
>>>Thanks. :)
>> Woops, sorry, didn't mean to confuse people. I had this ng in two >> instances of Agent and didn't realize. Unsubscribed to the other one >> and am responding from here as Reg256 and didn't realize it till just >> now. I find it easier to have a different username for Agent >> instances since I often have to find my posts via google when I'm away >> from home and it helps narrow down my searches. Hard enough to find >> my posts even without narrowing things down via username, title, etc. >> Sometimes I don't find them at all, but at least it helps a great >> deal.
>> So sorry for confusion. Fairfax and Reg256 are me, same person <g>.
>Not to sweat it...
>Plenty of people do that - for instance, post from home with one name & >from work with another. As in your case, there are footprints :-)
>What you *should* worry about is using no.com and nojunkmail.org as domain >names, unless they're actually yours or you have permission to use them >from the owners. The accepted form is to use "invalid" as the top-level >domain for fictitious address, such as in no.invalid and >nojunkmail.invalid. Note that it's the top-level domain that should be >"invalid", that is, the field in the address that follows the last dot.
>You wouldn't want to be receiving junk mail or other stuff after someone >used your address; the same is true for the owners of the above addresses >(or possible future owners, if those addresses are not yet in use).
>BTW, you are not the only one doing that, even just within this thread.
Good point. It's just that it's been years since I did that <g>.
Interesting. When I came up with the fake email addresses due to a scary incident at the time for me, and to avoid spambots, etc., this was all still fairly new. I'll change that in my settings. I'll use invalid if that's okay as I think it's a great end to the email address.
<marcus520...@yahoo.com> wrote: >On Mar 23, 10:52 am, Fairfax <Spam...@NoJunkMail.org> wrote: >> On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:48:47 -0700, "CLic...@invalid.org" <CLicker> >> wrote:
>> >On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:27:28 -0700 (PDT), Mark Burns >> ><marcus520...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>On Mar 18, 10:10 am, Fairfax <Spam...@NoJunkMail.org> wrote: >> >>> I've had this trouble many times before with VHS rips that I converted >> >>> a few years back to DVD. The original VHS copies were in pretty bad >> >>> shape but I caught them on DVD before they were totally gone. >> >>> However, those DVDs all are pretty jumpy and pixelated.
>> >>> The funny thing is that the shrinked VOBs on my computer play just >> >>> fine but every single AVI I make has audio synch problems and I've >> >>> noticed that it often happens after one of those screen jumpiness >> >>> incidents (whatever that's called).
>> >>> Is there any VOB to AVI app that can compensate for an "unstable" VOB >> >>> of this kind so that the AVIs, too, come out with the audio in proper >> >>> synch anyone know? I've tried the old extract AVI and messing around >> >>> with timing and then re-integrating but this method just doesn't work >> >>> on these old VHS rips. It works just fine when there's a single lag >> >>> but not on these jumpy VHS ones.
>> It was in converting with AutoGK the old VHS->DVD where I got the >> problem. I've noticed this in the past that very old VHS tapes jump >> around a lot. usually the VOB->AVI is not a problem but the >> "jumpiness" or "skippiness" in VHS rips really screw up the sound >> synchronicity.
>> I'll give the VBR setting a try and hope that it's as easy as that! >> Some of these tape rips don't have commercial DVD equivalents so I'll >> be stuck otherwise with keeping those DVDs despite the storage >> limitations in a small apartment <g>. Better now with 1-5 items/DVD >> but even better when converted to AVI!
>It is not as easy as changing to VBR. You will still have dropped >frames!
>This must be used against your original VOB captures, creating a new >mpeg file. Use the Joiner function to create a list of VOBs and >convert them to a single mpeg. This will also fix the dropped >frames. After that, convert them to whatever format that you like and >the A/V should stay in-sync.
>One can use Video Redo to resync the sound with trial-and-error, but >it is automatic with Video Redo.
>Video Redo is $50 but is available for a thirty day free trial. I >would try the trial first to see if it fixes your problems. I am >betting that it will.
>I also use it for eliminating commercials from digital captures. >Great for that too.
>Cheeks,
>Mark
Mark, this is **freaking** amazing! I wasn't exactly sure what to do so just ran the vob through VideoRedoPlus to get a "new" vob.
I then ran that new one through my dvd editor replacing the original vob and then converted to AVI via AutoGK.
Despite the 3 pass-throughs by 3 different apps, except for AutoGK, it doesn't seem like there was actually a lot of re-encoding going on, if at all.
VideoRedoPlus took a little over 11 minutes to process whereas if it'd re-encoded, it probably would have taken 1-2 hours, maybe. My Womble, if I don't change settings, only really has to process the bits I add yet it took its usual 8-9 minutes to spit out a new DVD with my editing in it. AutoGK is the one that did all the hard work and it took a little over 2 hours but the 3 parts of the 57 minute vid where scientists come onscreen to speak, it all seems to be in perfect synch now. I'm going to have to watch it all the way through because it also looks like it stabilized the jumpy frames where the VHS would skip, which naturally gets passed to the DVD final copy to be preserved forever in all its skippy glory! <g>
But so far, so good.
p.s., you know what gets re-encoded in Womble DVD authoring program by the colouring. The intro and ends I usually add come up as red segments whereas the body of the DVD shows up as blue. Womble took the re-processed VOB exactly in the same spot as the old one and didn't take any additional time so looks like there wasn't change on the surface at all, to all intents and purposes.
Hopefully, watching it on DVD will show as well on the TV as on the computer. But thanks for this. I'll have to get this app to use for those instances where the source video is as bad as in this exercise.
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:20:26 -0500, Rex256 wrote: > On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:58:50 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch" > <not...@other.invalid> wrote:
>>On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:43:31 -0500, Rex256 wrote:
>>> On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:25:48 -0500, Rex256 <NoJunkM...@No.com> wrote:
>>>>On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:40:50 -0700 (PDT), Mark Burns >>>><marcus520...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>On Mar 23, 10:52 am, Fairfax <Spam...@NoJunkMail.org> wrote: >>>>>> On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:48:47 -0700, "CLic...@invalid.org" <CLicker> >>>>>> wrote:
>>> [snip]
>>>>>One can use Video Redo to resync the sound with trial-and-error, but >>>>>it is automatic with Video Redo.
>>>>Do you mean, perhaps (I'm guessing here) that Video Redo can do it via >>>>trial and error but a Video Redo Plus will do it automatically?
>>>>>Video Redo is $50 but is available for a thirty day free trial. I >>>>>would try the trial first to see if it fixes your problems. I am >>>>>betting that it will.
>>>>>I also use it for eliminating commercials from digital captures. >>>>>Great for that too.
>>>>>Cheeks,
>>>>>Mark
>>>>Thanks. :)
>>> Woops, sorry, didn't mean to confuse people. I had this ng in two >>> instances of Agent and didn't realize. Unsubscribed to the other one >>> and am responding from here as Reg256 and didn't realize it till just >>> now. I find it easier to have a different username for Agent >>> instances since I often have to find my posts via google when I'm away >>> from home and it helps narrow down my searches. Hard enough to find >>> my posts even without narrowing things down via username, title, etc. >>> Sometimes I don't find them at all, but at least it helps a great >>> deal.
>>> So sorry for confusion. Fairfax and Reg256 are me, same person <g>.
>>Not to sweat it...
>>Plenty of people do that - for instance, post from home with one name & >>from work with another. As in your case, there are footprints :-)
>>What you *should* worry about is using no.com and nojunkmail.org as domain >>names, unless they're actually yours or you have permission to use them >>from the owners. The accepted form is to use "invalid" as the top-level >>domain for fictitious address, such as in no.invalid and >>nojunkmail.invalid. Note that it's the top-level domain that should be >>"invalid", that is, the field in the address that follows the last dot.
>>You wouldn't want to be receiving junk mail or other stuff after someone >>used your address; the same is true for the owners of the above addresses >>(or possible future owners, if those addresses are not yet in use).
>>BTW, you are not the only one doing that, even just within this thread.
> Good point. It's just that it's been years since I did that <g>.
> Interesting. When I came up with the fake email addresses due to a > scary incident at the time for me, and to avoid spambots, etc., this > was all still fairly new. I'll change that in my settings. I'll use > invalid if that's okay as I think it's a great end to the email > address.
Thanks for the acknowledgement and for your calm and positive reply.
I sometimes think a flame war might start when I (and others) play the Usenet cop, so it's good to get a response like yours...
>>>You wouldn't want to be receiving junk mail or other stuff after someone >>>used your address; the same is true for the owners of the above addresses >>>(or possible future owners, if those addresses are not yet in use).
>>>BTW, you are not the only one doing that, even just within this thread.
>> Good point. It's just that it's been years since I did that <g>.
>> Interesting. When I came up with the fake email addresses due to a >> scary incident at the time for me, and to avoid spambots, etc., this >> was all still fairly new. I'll change that in my settings. I'll use >> invalid if that's okay as I think it's a great end to the email >> address.
>Thanks for the acknowledgement and for your calm and positive reply.
>I sometimes think a flame war might start when I (and others) play the >Usenet cop, so it's good to get a response like yours...
<lol> I've been on usenet for 11 years now. I haven't started a flame war yet ... <g> But I know what you mean.
> On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:40:50 -0700 (PDT), Mark Burns
> <marcus520...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >On Mar 23, 10:52 am, Fairfax <Spam...@NoJunkMail.org> wrote: > >> On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:48:47 -0700, "CLic...@invalid.org" <CLicker> > >> wrote:
> >> >On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:27:28 -0700 (PDT), Mark Burns > >> ><marcus520...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >>On Mar 18, 10:10 am, Fairfax <Spam...@NoJunkMail.org> wrote: > >> >>> I've had this trouble many times before with VHS rips that I converted > >> >>> a few years back to DVD. The original VHS copies were in pretty bad > >> >>> shape but I caught them on DVD before they were totally gone. > >> >>> However, those DVDs all are pretty jumpy and pixelated.
> >> >>> The funny thing is that the shrinked VOBs on my computer play just > >> >>> fine but every single AVI I make has audio synch problems and I've > >> >>> noticed that it often happens after one of those screen jumpiness > >> >>> incidents (whatever that's called).
> >> >>> Is there any VOB to AVI app that can compensate for an "unstable" VOB > >> >>> of this kind so that the AVIs, too, come out with the audio in proper > >> >>> synch anyone know? I've tried the old extract AVI and messing around > >> >>> with timing and then re-integrating but this method just doesn't work > >> >>> on these old VHS rips. It works just fine when there's a single lag > >> >>> but not on these jumpy VHS ones.
> >> >>> Thanks.
> >> >>The captured video plays in-synce because there are time stamps in the > >> >>captured video that are lost in demuxing and remuxing into a new > >> >>format, such as VOB for DVD.
> >> >>The best way to convert VHS to digital is to:
> >> >>1) Capture to mpeg format. I typicaly use a bitrate of 7000 at > >> >>720x480 @29.97 fps NTSC for this.
> >> >>2) Convert the captured mpeg with Video Redo. Video redo removes > >> >>video and audio packets > >> >>that were captured out of sync.
> >> >>3) Convert the mpeg in step 2 to whatever video format that you want: > >> >>DVD, DivX, Xvid, etc... Step 2 should ensure that the new formats > >> >>will stay in-sync.
> >> >>Video Redo is like magic for this.
> >> >>Good luck...
> >> >>Cheers,
> >> >>Mark Burns
> >> >I certainly agree with your methodology, Mark, although I used 12 mbps > >> >capture myself. However, not knowing *how* the OP is making his AVIs, > >> >isn't it also possible that using a variable instead of fixed rate > >> >audio codec might induce the same behavior? I seem to recall that AVI > >> >playback soft/hard ware often had/has trouble maintaining VBR audio > >> >synch when the video stream is disturbed during playback.
> >> >One post production cure for this has been the use of VDub to make a > >> >fixed rate audio track from the variable rate track, possibly > >> >stretching or shrinking to fit the video length, and then remuxing.
> >> >I'd add to the OP, now that HDD storage is competitively priced at far > >> >less than a penny per 100MB vs. similarly priced rewritable (or much > >> >higher priced dual density or BD) optical storage, that there is no > >> >need to sacrifice what might be marginal quality to begin with by > >> >further compressing a/v from its MPEG size, be it analog to digital > >> >capture or direct capture of digital.
> >> Interesting, thanks. I actually use CBR (out of ignorance I guess. > >> Didn't know which was better <g>) in AutoGK.
> >> I'm not sure re changing the capture. The VOBs are on my computer. I > >> recorded from VHS way-back-when to DVD via a DVD recorder. Then I > >> recently transferred this particular DVD to my computer to convert to > >> AVI.
> >> It was in converting with AutoGK the old VHS->DVD where I got the > >> problem. I've noticed this in the past that very old VHS tapes jump > >> around a lot. usually the VOB->AVI is not a problem but the > >> "jumpiness" or "skippiness" in VHS rips really screw up the sound > >> synchronicity.
> >> I'll give the VBR setting a try and hope that it's as easy as that! > >> Some of these tape rips don't have commercial DVD equivalents so I'll > >> be stuck otherwise with keeping those DVDs despite the storage > >> limitations in a small apartment <g>. Better now with 1-5 items/DVD > >> but even better when converted to AVI!
> >It is not as easy as changing to VBR. You will still have dropped > >frames!
> >This must be used against your original VOB captures, creating a new > >mpeg file. Use the Joiner function to create a list of VOBs and > >convert them to a single mpeg. This will also fix the dropped > >frames. After that, convert them to whatever format that you like and > >the A/V should stay in-sync.
> >One can use Video Redo to resync the sound with trial-and-error, but > >it is automatic with Video Redo.
> Do you mean, perhaps (I'm guessing here) that Video Redo can do it via > trial and error but a Video Redo Plus will do it automatically?
> >Video Redo is $50 but is available for a thirty day free trial. I > >would try the trial first to see if it fixes your problems. I am > >betting that it will.
> >I also use it for eliminating commercials from digital captures. > >Great for that too.
> >Cheeks,
> >Mark
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Yes, Video Redo does it automaticaly. The catch is, however, for the automatic operation to work it has to be done on an mpeg file after the capture before any other demuxing and remuxing is done. This is because it uses the time stamps from the original mpeg capture to do this.
VRO is also a good manual A/V sync fix, better than anything else that I have tried, but this is not nearly as painless as using it immediately on a captured mpeg.
> On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:40:50 -0700 (PDT), Mark Burns
> <marcus520...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >On Mar 23, 10:52 am, Fairfax <Spam...@NoJunkMail.org> wrote: > >> On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:48:47 -0700, "CLic...@invalid.org" <CLicker> > >> wrote:
> >> >On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:27:28 -0700 (PDT), Mark Burns > >> ><marcus520...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >>On Mar 18, 10:10 am, Fairfax <Spam...@NoJunkMail.org> wrote: > >> >>> I've had this trouble many times before with VHS rips that I converted > >> >>> a few years back to DVD. The original VHS copies were in pretty bad > >> >>> shape but I caught them on DVD before they were totally gone. > >> >>> However, those DVDs all are pretty jumpy and pixelated.
> >> >>> The funny thing is that the shrinked VOBs on my computer play just > >> >>> fine but every single AVI I make has audio synch problems and I've > >> >>> noticed that it often happens after one of those screen jumpiness > >> >>> incidents (whatever that's called).
> >> >>> Is there any VOB to AVI app that can compensate for an "unstable" VOB > >> >>> of this kind so that the AVIs, too, come out with the audio in proper > >> >>> synch anyone know? I've tried the old extract AVI and messing around > >> >>> with timing and then re-integrating but this method just doesn't work > >> >>> on these old VHS rips. It works just fine when there's a single lag > >> >>> but not on these jumpy VHS ones.
> >> >>> Thanks.
> [snip]
> >> It was in converting with AutoGK the old VHS->DVD where I got the > >> problem. I've noticed this in the past that very old VHS tapes jump > >> around a lot. usually the VOB->AVI is not a problem but the > >> "jumpiness" or "skippiness" in VHS rips really screw up the sound > >> synchronicity.
> >> I'll give the VBR setting a try and hope that it's as easy as that! > >> Some of these tape rips don't have commercial DVD equivalents so I'll > >> be stuck otherwise with keeping those DVDs despite the storage > >> limitations in a small apartment <g>. Better now with 1-5 items/DVD > >> but even better when converted to AVI!
> >It is not as easy as changing to VBR. You will still have dropped > >frames!
> >This must be used against your original VOB captures, creating a new > >mpeg file. Use the Joiner function to create a list of VOBs and > >convert them to a single mpeg. This will also fix the dropped > >frames. After that, convert them to whatever format that you like and > >the A/V should stay in-sync.
> >One can use Video Redo to resync the sound with trial-and-error, but > >it is automatic with Video Redo.
> >Video Redo is $50 but is available for a thirty day free trial. I > >would try the trial first to see if it fixes your problems. I am > >betting that it will.
> >I also use it for eliminating commercials from digital captures. > >Great for that too.
> >Cheeks,
> >Mark
> Mark, this is **freaking** amazing! I wasn't exactly sure what to do > so just ran the vob through VideoRedoPlus to get a "new" vob.
> I then ran that new one through my dvd editor replacing the original > vob and then converted to AVI via AutoGK.
> Despite the 3 pass-throughs by 3 different apps, except for AutoGK, it > doesn't seem like there was actually a lot of re-encoding going on, if > at all.
> VideoRedoPlus took a little over 11 minutes to process whereas if it'd > re-encoded, it probably would have taken 1-2 hours, maybe. My Womble, > if I don't change settings, only really has to process the bits I add > yet it took its usual 8-9 minutes to spit out a new DVD with my > editing in it. AutoGK is the one that did all the hard work and it > took a little over 2 hours but the 3 parts of the 57 minute vid where > scientists come onscreen to speak, it all seems to be in perfect synch > now. I'm going to have to watch it all the way through because it > also looks like it stabilized the jumpy frames where the VHS would > skip, which naturally gets passed to the DVD final copy to be > preserved forever in all its skippy glory! <g>
> But so far, so good.
> p.s., you know what gets re-encoded in Womble DVD authoring program by > the colouring. The intro and ends I usually add come up as red > segments whereas the body of the DVD shows up as blue. Womble took > the re-processed VOB exactly in the same spot as the old one and > didn't take any additional time so looks like there wasn't change on > the surface at all, to all intents and purposes.
> Hopefully, watching it on DVD will show as well on the TV as on the > computer. But thanks for this. I'll have to get this app to use for > those instances where the source video is as bad as in this exercise.- Hide quoted text -
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Glad to hear it. I use VRO on all of my initial captures from VHS or from my digital video recorders. I have two, one a panasonic that captures to HD and then copy to DVD-RAM and a Magnavox with a HD that copies to RVD-RW. In both cases VRO often removes bad frames and makes a more stable video.
Womble is a very good program but for different reasons. I use Womble for post capture mpeg editing. Womble and Video Redo are very good for frame accurate editing. For removing commercials I use VRO. For further refinement I can use Womble, although I don't use it that much any more. Very good for working with videos that I have captured directly on my digital movie camera. When dealing with mpeg video, both of these are must haves. I do use VRO the most.
<marcus520...@yahoo.com> wrote: >On Mar 23, 3:25 pm, Rex256 <NoJunkM...@No.com> wrote: >> On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:40:50 -0700 (PDT), Mark Burns
>> <marcus520...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >On Mar 23, 10:52 am, Fairfax <Spam...@NoJunkMail.org> wrote: >> >> On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:48:47 -0700, "CLic...@invalid.org" <CLicker> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:27:28 -0700 (PDT), Mark Burns >> >> ><marcus520...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >>On Mar 18, 10:10 am, Fairfax <Spam...@NoJunkMail.org> wrote: >> >> >>> I've had this trouble many times before with VHS rips that I converted >> >> >>> a few years back to DVD. The original VHS copies were in pretty bad >> >> >>> shape but I caught them on DVD before they were totally gone. >> >> >>> However, those DVDs all are pretty jumpy and pixelated.
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>Yes, Video Redo does it automaticaly. The catch is, however, for the >automatic operation to work it has to be done on an mpeg file after >the capture before any other demuxing and remuxing is done. This is >because it uses the time stamps from the original mpeg capture to do >this.
>VRO is also a good manual A/V sync fix, better than anything else that >I have tried, but this is not nearly as painless as using it >immediately on a captured mpeg.
>Cheers,
>Mark
Fortunately, the incidences of DVDs made from very poor source VHS tapes are few. Other than family videos, most films/TV shows I used to own I've been able to replace. It's just documentaries and some of my old fitness videos that won't make it. This app will help with all those.
Although I haven't watched the program straight through, I'm very impressed with the results. Since the documentary was made here in Canada, and we don't have the same markets as the US, it's doubtful whether or not it'll ever go to DVD. The information is not obsolete, surprisingly. It talks about the end of the end of the dinosaurs and it's very well done, infant cgi graphics or not. BBC came out with Rare Planet recently which gave closure to the meteor theory (they HAVE found the meteor and show where it is, which my old documentary says they hadn't found it yet). So both videos belong in anyone's collection who is interested in Natural History. Too bad it'll likely never go to DVD much less Blu-Ray, etc.
But thanks. Although grainy as heck, the copy is now safe for posterity <g>.
I had to share, this turned up in my searches this week, the beautiful theme for the episode I have from the series, the _old_ Miracle Planet (_not_ to be confused with the new "Miracle Planet" 'mini-series' episodes made recently narrated by our own Christopher Plummer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWxCQ9Fv12c):
Great musical artists out of Japan. If you like early synthesized music, any of you may also appreciate Tomita.
Thanks for the video help. Much appreciated. I have a handful of VHS tapes left, workouts I bought that because fads come and go will never be reproduced either. I now know that I'll be successful in transferring them. Cheers.
<marcus520...@yahoo.com> wrote: >On Mar 23, 8:31 pm, Rex256 <NoJunkMail@invalid> wrote: >> On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:40:50 -0700 (PDT), Mark Burns >> <marcus520...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >On Mar 23, 10:52 am, Fairfax <Spam...@NoJunkMail.org> wrote: >> >> On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:48:47 -0700, "CLic...@invalid.org" <CLicker> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:27:28 -0700 (PDT), Mark Burns >> >> ><marcus520...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >>On Mar 18, 10:10 am, Fairfax <Spam...@NoJunkMail.org> wrote: >> >> >>> I've had this trouble many times before with VHS rips that I converted >> >> >>> a few years back to DVD. The original VHS copies were in pretty bad >> >> >>> shape but I caught them on DVD before they were totally gone. >> >> >>> However, those DVDs all are pretty jumpy and pixelated.
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>Glad to hear it. I use VRO on all of my initial captures from VHS or >from my digital video recorders. I have two, one a panasonic that >captures to HD and then copy to DVD-RAM and a Magnavox with a HD that >copies to RVD-RW. In both cases VRO often removes bad frames and >makes a more stable video.
You capture directly to the computer, then? Wow. That has always seemed very handy. I haven't yet figured out how to do that, but that's okay, I have only a handful of VHS tapes left and I still have my VCR and, of course, my DVD recorder. So I'll be leaving VHS tapes behind after that.
My camera records directly to AVI and transfers to the computer like that. I haven't needed to do any editing of them yet but, if I did, would most likely use VirtualDub for the most part.
>Womble is a very good program but for different reasons. I use Womble >for post capture mpeg editing. Womble and Video Redo are very good
Womble is very easy and good for DVD authoring. I've found it to be the easiest of anything I've tried. Most programs out there are really quite difficult to use. With Womble, I was authoring in less than 5 minutes!
I add stuff to what I captures - extra clips, text, etc., or putting bits and pieces together ... There isn't any discernible quality loss, either, since it only encodes my additions to the clips when rendering the final copy. If I have any problems, I've found that upping the quality of the final, and then waiting for the lengthier rendering time seems to do the trick and I get a better copy at the end. One of the few times where encoding to more than what I started out with yields good results <g>. 'course, I'm not working in HD or anything and have a regular tube TV but I'm not that interested in HD and likely won't get that way soon. I've seen too many changes in technology. Besides, by the time it does get to be an issue, well, I'll likely do what I did with the VHS tapes, buy new and replace for the most important stuff.
>for frame accurate editing. For removing commercials I use VRO. For >further refinement I can use Womble, although I don't use it that much >any more. Very good for working with videos that I have captured >directly on my digital movie camera. When dealing with mpeg video, >both of these are must haves. I do use VRO the most.
I suspect I will, too. Thanks for introducing it to me. :oD
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:22:55 -0500, Rex256 <NoJunkM...@No.com> wrote:
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>I do sometimes reduce down to a size so that up to 10-15 movie-length >recordings will fit but that's not so much an issue now that I have >saved them to AVI.
>Now I just have to find a DVD player with USB stick support that'll >play the movies that we just simply transfer to the stick directly!
I bought version one of the Dune HD Center (http://dune-hd.com/fullhd_players/67-dune_hd_center.html) some time back; now there are more up-to-date versions (called Prime, I believe) at slightly lower prices. The old one plays everything from Blu-Ray discs (though firmware updates are sometimes slow in coming) down to USB memstick AVI's and JPEGs, though not FLVs. This has all but replaced the PC, used for more than 5 years, in our main viewing area. One feature I'd have liked is NetFlix play, that's why that PC is still in use and sits right under the Dune box. Otherwise the PC pretty much just captures HDTV and runs VideoReDo for editing the captures and transfer to external HDDs. None of our video captures has been further compressed using h.263 or .264 since HDD/DVD5(RW) price parity - which must be at least three years now.
>On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:22:55 -0500, Rex256 <NoJunkM...@No.com> wrote:
><snip> >>I do sometimes reduce down to a size so that up to 10-15 movie-length >>recordings will fit but that's not so much an issue now that I have >>saved them to AVI.
>>Now I just have to find a DVD player with USB stick support that'll >>play the movies that we just simply transfer to the stick directly!
>I bought version one of the Dune HD Center >(http://dune-hd.com/fullhd_players/67-dune_hd_center.html) some time >back; now there are more up-to-date versions (called Prime, I believe) >at slightly lower prices. The old one plays everything from Blu-Ray >discs (though firmware updates are sometimes slow in coming) down to >USB memstick AVI's and JPEGs, though not FLVs. This has all but >replaced the PC, used for more than 5 years, in our main viewing area. >One feature I'd have liked is NetFlix play, that's why that PC is >still in use and sits right under the Dune box. Otherwise the PC >pretty much just captures HDTV and runs VideoReDo for editing the >captures and transfer to external HDDs. None of our video captures >has been further compressed using h.263 or .264 since HDD/DVD5(RW) >price parity - which must be at least three years now.
Excellent! Sounds like a great way to go. It's such a hassle to save AVIs to DVD. Not a green way to go either as I still consume too many disks though now a lot less. That's what I get for being the one in charge of movies <g>. Everyone always turns to me when they want a film <lol>.
Thanks. I'll try and see if we have that Dune HD Center or something similar. Sounds like it does what I need. Cheers.
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